beauty dialectic

Alejo: So, here we are really untalking about things...trying to experiment with form in the hopes that perhaps we can birth some beattiful new form of expression...or bullshit and rant about various inconsequentials...so...ahh....umm......what is beauty?

ANdro: Grant me a moment to puff my sage twig and i shall answer ye..
beauty, for me, is whatever catches your eye in that bright way..beauty is what youre taken with, what inspires positive reaction, however small and shrouded with your own insecurities. beauty is then like love, the same maybe..both something that is truly felt through a stripping of the ego, or sometimes a cutting.

Alejo: I like the the akgnolkedgement of the pain of beaty with the statement that it can sometimes be a cutting, but I take isue with beauty neccesarily inspiring a positive reaction. Death is overwhelmingly beautiful, however it almost never creates a oppositive reacton in the bereaved. I think the concept of beauty as positive negates the the true power of beauty which is a state beyond morals.

Andro: I think you misinterpret my use of "positive" as something that can't be an ends to the means of experiencing beauty..positive values of beauty arn't always so immediate...describe the beauty u see in death.

Alejo: I feel like we're getting combatative and veeering away from what we want to achieve..which i assume to be a better understanding on the nature of beauty...I agree that beauty deals much wih losing the sense of self...at baseline, we imagine the confines of our being as being of te the utmost importance, a wholly subjestive beauty, not th true universal beauty of which we seek...that beauy is an objective beauty...it can only be seen when we view something outside of the confines of ourselves as being important....but the more we realize the importance of the things around us the more we lose the amphasis on the imporance of the individual self.....thus is it through egoloss that beauty can be seen...death being thebiggest from of egoloss there is, because here ain;t no comin' back, it's...like...meta-beautiful.

Andro: meta-blah is a complicated way o sayin nuthin..tho yr sentiments are truly beautiful

Alejo: the fungus makes me feel alive..........sorry.......continue......

Andro: so, beauty is fully experienced in egolessness..this explodes beauty to every possible thing at all times..

Alejo: perhaps, but, and I'm totally coping from Watts here, Every posible thing, everything is the totality of all things and is thus not a single thing, thus everything is nothing...so in pure egolessness is it not just as valid to say nothing is beautiful...or put in another way...if a tree falls and no ego is there to relate to it.....

Andro: yes, im thinkin now that i believe in only subjective beauty..it's not as hopeless as it sounds... i think efforts to define beauty are defeatist in that they really just draw us away from the goal of tryin to fuse our different beauties into one.
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Alejo:: well I guess I would be hard press to try to speak against te inherent subjective nature of all things...but here's a thought...Perhaps beauty is..or rather the recognition of beauty is the struggle aginst subjective incarceration...it is spawned from the subconsious desire to relate..to not feel alone...

Andro: while i think for the most part this is true, i dont think it necessarily describes the nature of beauty. i think that every artist realizes at some point, no matter how ardent the drive to "share" beauty, so much must still remain intensely personal and singular in its appreciation. you speak of meta-beauty, i picture the artist humbly in front of his or her own work as a feedback loop that can escape time and ego but is a closed loop. yes, we can take inspiration from the loop itself, but sometimes never from the beauty of the artwork alone.

Alejo: art and artist is more connected in my mind to expression and creation, which while it can be beautiful, is not not necessarily so. so if beauty is viewed as something that is created, it ties it down to the subjective level...on a side note i'm sick of this whole art thing...everyone is not just an artist....I think it takes away from our true nature...we are more than just creaters...